Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2023 Breeders' Cup Days Final Figures Santa Anita 3-4 November 2023  • 1 Specials Available
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Re: Class of 2017 (1001 Views)
Posted by: richiebee (IP Logged)
Date: August 07, 2018 05:40AM

Fairmount:

I hate to respond by serving up a heaping helping of word salad, but are you
implying that Baffert will try to avoid out of competition testing (OOCT) by
keeping runners like West Coast out of competition?

You mention the "rules changes" in the 2017 BC at Del Mar. The real change was
that, after the Masochistic mess in the 2016 BC (California authorities
apparently knew pre race that Masochistic would likely test positive for
steroids, but felt that they were legally constrained from communicating this
to the BC powers that be), the folks at Breeders Cup decided to take OOCT into
their own hands rather than leaving such testing to the host state/track.
In advance of the 2017 BC at Del Mar, Dora Delgado, speaking on behalf of the
BC, stated that "The Breeders Cup is on target to test upwards of 90% of all
runners [entered in the BC]...at least one horse from every trainer's stable
will be tested..." In the end, as best as I can tell doing some brief research
and without submitting a FOIL request, 195 horses were subjected to OOCT. I do
not know if this figure includes horses based outside North America. The other
question would be if this figure includes some, or many, horses which did not
compete in the BC. Or am I reading this skeptically, when in truth 195 of the
200 plus BC runners were subjected to OOCT?

Is there any way to assure that all BC competitors will be subjected to OOCT? I
am not certain what the expense involved with OOCT is, but there were
approximately 445 graded stakes scheduled to be run in the United States in 2018
(not counting the BC events)(My opinion: that is way too many graded stakes,
another example of the tail (the Breeding Industry) wagging the dog (the sport
of horse racing)). A vast majority of the runners who will compete
in the 2018 BC at CD will have started at least once in a graded stake. If BC
tested the top three finishers in each of these 445 graded events (a) it is
likely that all US based BC runners will have been OOCT'd and (b) many more
than 195 runners will have been tested, even taking into account the fact that
many runners will be multiple stakes winners/multiple stakes placed. Some
might argue that such extensive testing is overkill in that many runners will
be tested who do not eventually compete in the BC. Maybe such far reaching OOCT
is something the Jockey Club and the BC could undertake as a joint venture,
because...

"OOCT is largely used as a [b]deterrent[/b] and fact finding enterprise". These
were the words of Rick Arthur, DVM, of the California Horse Racing Board
(CHRB). Fairmount, you studied law and know that the word [b]deterrent
[/b] is another way of saying "we will arrest a small portion of the criminal
actors, and [b]hope[/b] those arrests discourage other potential criminal
actors". Anyone who has seen the movie "Deepwater Horizon" (John Malkovich
excellent as the full speed ahead company man) knows that "Hope is not a
strategy". In any case, casting a wider net, performing testing on as many
graded stakes performers as possible, would have a greater deterrent effect.

Could Baffert game the OOCT protocol by keeping a horse such as West Coast on
the bench and giving him one prep close up before the BC, as he did with Secret
Circle in the 2013 BC Sprint (check archives), or even run off an eight month
layoff just off works? I think the fact that he has mentioned the BC as a
possibility is enough to make West Coast a viable candidate for OOCT testing,
especially if he shows up on the work tab with typically fast Baffert works. If
the name of the game was to try to avoid OOCT, I would imagine owner, trainer,
stablehands would have to be sworn to silence regarding the horse's future
plans.

Could Baffert win the BC Classic off an eight month layoff? Baffert is known for
being able to work horses faster/longer than most of his cohorts. There are
advantages to working a horse long and fast as opposed to running him/her: The
horse gets the benefit of heart, lung and leg conditioning without the stress
(detention barn protocol, paddock distractions, loading into a full starting
gate) of running in an afternoon/evening race. Horses are not routinely tested
after workouts. Some horses will probably thrive off being teased with a series
of long fast works while not facing race competition. As you know, my theory is
that any pharmacological advantage Baffert might be taking is in the
preparation: many Baffert horses, especially youngsters, have worked faster in
the morning (over a surface that we can assume is not as fast as the afternoon
race surface) than many of their competitors will ever run in the afternoon. Of
course, extenuating circumstances (purse money, Derby points, "Win and Your In"
considerations, foolish owners who expect to see their horses race in the
afternoon) dictate that a horse eventually is brought to the starting
gate for pari-mutuel racing.

To summarize, Baffert's ability to work horses (especially young horses)long
and fast gives these runners a distinct advantage if and when they make it to
the races. I would not be surprised if PEDs played a part in this "long and
fast" regimen. Would it be interesting if some banned race day PEDs were
[i]absolutely[/i] banned, and all horses working 6 furlongs or more were tested
after said works? Or if horses working at any distance were randomly tested? If
anything, it would probably prove to be a revealing "fact finding
enterprise", to use the words of Rick Arthur.



Subject Written By Posted
Class of 2017 (2533 Views) Silver Charm 08/05/2018 08:37AM
Re: Class of 2017 (1034 Views) BitPlayer 08/05/2018 09:30AM
Re: Class of 2017 (1100 Views) Fairmount1 08/05/2018 11:27AM
Re: Class of 2017 (960 Views) phil23 08/05/2018 04:32PM
Re: Class of 2017 (903 Views) Tavasco 08/05/2018 09:18PM
Re: Class of 2017 (1001 Views) richiebee 08/07/2018 05:40AM
Re: Class of 2017 (869 Views) richiebee 08/07/2018 06:22AM
Stephens Belmont's vs Baffert's BC (969 Views) skitimber 08/07/2018 09:57AM
Re: Stephens Belmont's vs Baffert's BC (935 Views) richiebee 08/07/2018 10:25AM
Re: Stephens Belmont's vs Baffert's BC (965 Views) belmont3 08/07/2018 03:54PM
Re: Stephens Belmont's vs Baffert's BC (984 Views) Socalman3 08/07/2018 11:04AM
Re: Class of 2017 (951 Views) Fairmount1 08/12/2018 08:47PM
Re: Class of 2017 (837 Views) Rich Curtis 08/13/2018 11:17AM
Re: Class of 2017 (812 Views) Silver Charm 08/13/2018 06:36PM
Re: Class of 2017 (903 Views) Fairmount1 08/13/2018 08:05PM
Re: Class of 2017 (810 Views) APny 08/13/2018 11:48PM
Re: Class of 2017 (764 Views) RICH 08/14/2018 04:48AM
Re: Class of 2017 (872 Views) richiebee 08/14/2018 06:49AM
Re: Class of 2017 (737 Views) Boscar Obarra 08/14/2018 02:13PM
Re: Class of 2017 (1058 Views) FrankD. 08/14/2018 04:07PM
Re: Class of 2017 (759 Views) Boscar Obarra 08/14/2018 04:58PM
Re: Class of 2017 (811 Views) Fairmount1 08/14/2018 05:36PM
Re: Class of 2017 (782 Views) Boscar Obarra 08/14/2018 06:58PM
Re: Class of 2017 (748 Views) Silver Charm 08/15/2018 07:40AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (925 Views) Mike C 08/15/2018 04:11PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (796 Views) philywheel 08/15/2018 08:24PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (751 Views) philywheel 08/15/2018 09:04PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (740 Views) Mike C 08/16/2018 03:45PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (752 Views) philywheel 08/16/2018 04:22PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (764 Views) gowand 08/16/2018 08:41AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (741 Views) philywheel 08/16/2018 10:03AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (749 Views) JR 08/18/2018 01:12AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (902 Views) FrankD. 08/18/2018 07:04AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (753 Views) richiebee 08/18/2018 08:12AM
Re: Forego and handicap races (698 Views) JR 08/18/2018 12:54PM
Re: Forego and handicap races (715 Views) JR 08/18/2018 12:45PM
Re: Dr. Fager (2769 Views) Mathcapper 08/17/2018 04:31AM
Re: Dr. Fager (754 Views) ajkreider 08/17/2018 11:17AM
Re: Dr. Fager (770 Views) Al Caught Up 08/17/2018 12:40PM
Re: Class of 2017 (793 Views) johnnym 08/16/2018 09:09AM
Re: Class of 2017 (731 Views) hellersorr 08/16/2018 12:38PM
Re: Class of 2017 (744 Views) belmont3 08/16/2018 02:13PM
Re: Class of 2017 (955 Views) johnnym 08/06/2018 10:40AM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.