ahhhh, i see you want to change the subject away from the point in question, which is, why are you basically referring to "most" ragozin customers as idiots. that was the original point i made on the string. nice try there, not good enough though (if you noticed, i also made a post about the BC, and that will be discussed as well)... you do win on one point though, in the future, if i think something you say is way off base, i will not use the word "stupid", i will simply make jokes about your IQ... and if you want to get back to the subject of "are horses are running ten to fifteen lengths faster at 10f and 12f on dirt than they were ten to fifteen years ago", i would gladly address it again. i was just thinking about bid's 1:57 and change 10f run many years ago. i was also thinking about northern dancer's run in the derby. i think he did that in about 2:00 flat (about 40 years ago). how the heck do you explain that?? (i'm guessing you would talk about a conversation you had with a track superintendent, although not from CD, and you might give a few facts about swimming pools).