Jimbo,

I'm not sure Beyer is "making an argument against incorporating ground loss into figures?" as per your original post. He just makes figures without them. His figures have value for what they measure. I think what Jerry tries to do is go the "extra mile" to add the ground loss to the rest of what Beyer is doing (clock/variant). Beyer and others "add in" other ingredients like pace or wide or troubled trips as they see fit, much like the readers of this board "add in" whatever to the TG numbers they get!

Don't overlook how time consuming and labor intensive measuring ground loss is. You can do what Beyer does alone at your desk. Not to say it's not time consuming or difficult, but there's no comparison to the time and effort required to generate TG-type figs by getting the ground for every horse. In order to do the TG thing, you need a lot more man hours and observational power (?) get the additional data in.

I think the logistics have as much to do with it as any "argument" Beyer would make against ground loss as a meaningful fig component...

HP