I see now why Barry Nomad Irwing excoriated you. Team Valor made the plunge upon that questionable specimen of a horse. He thinks he may better the last place Derby finish of Keyed Entry. The only good horse this outfit ever bought was Captain Bodgit.

Later, They get credit for Prized too, but they screwed up changing trainers on him.

You can't live in the past. Its amazing that they have a business going. Maybe they dont. Maybe thats the root of the ridiculous response.

Once again, great post John, I think you said volumes about the Pletcher methodology. What Team Valor needs is thirdly a better horse, secondly, a better trainer and most importantly better decision making as to the two preceding issues.

He's a candidate for last in the Derby, last 1/4 of the field in the Preakness.
CHICKENS!

Barry, you need someone to review pedigree and conformation. Badly. I can help. Thats a statement of fact. It's not easy and I'm not cheap. I'll even prove it. You provide me with the documents upon your top ten prospective Derby intended purchases next year and I'll pick the one that produces the most...gratis. After that, when you want my imput again, you'll pay dearly for it.

John is right. Sell that hay burner.

CtC

JohnTChance Wrote:
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> On this particular forum, opinions stem from
> numbers and number analysis. It seems that, though
> "a lot of variables go into this game," numbers
> ARE the overwhelming part of the puzzle these
> days, changing the way horses are perceived, and
> even handled. When HARD SPUN ran that "clunker" in
> his loss at Oaklawn, it was "numbers" that
> redefined the perception of his performance.
> Thoughts that the colt may not have handled the
> Oaklawn surface, gave way to trainer Larry Jones
> defended his colt by referring reporters to the
> good sheet figure he ran. On the ThoroGraphs, HARD
> SPUN had run another 2. That is, he ran well, not
> poorly. And recently, Todd Pletcher changed the
> schedule of his Derby-bound colts, giving one more
> time. Wasn't that decision based, not so much upon
> the horse's weight, blood count or breeding, but
> as a sheets-influenced decision? There's tangible
> sheets evidence that Todd's horses do well off
> layoffs.
>
> The young Pletchers that run these huge orgasms
> early on in their 3-yr. old year at GP - I'm
> thinking of those from TEXAS GLITTER through to
> LIMEHOUSE, VALUE PLUS, KEYED ENTRY and now KING OF
> THE ROXY. When you run a -1 as an early 3 yr. old,
> what do you expect next out, and thereafter? Do
> you project they'll IMPROVE??? That they'll run a
> -3 soon? A -4 on dem bones? The point is that
> improvement has not been the norm, and whoever
> manages a fast colt's future is viced in by that
> magnificent early effort.
>
> I'm not surprised an uncharitable expression about
> pharmacology as it relates to performance is
> ridiculed. How "absurdly naive!," eh? Mindful of
> your comments on this forum about Dr. Harthill a
> while back - something to the effect that "he's
> the best, and it's to my advantage to use him" - I
> can twist the argument and throw it right back at
> you to meet you at mid-field. So you think that
> Pletcher's horses aren't profoundly effected by
> steroids and injections? They run these -1
> ThoroGraphs just on their own natural God-given
> development? Hay, oats and water only? Yeah.
> Right. God Bless America. You're wrong.
>
> JTC



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