Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> I see now why Barry Nomad Irwing excoriated you.
> Team Valor made the plunge upon that questionable
> specimen of a horse. He thinks he may better the
> last place Derby finish of Keyed Entry. The only
> good horse this outfit ever bought was Captain
> Bodgit.
>
> Later, They get credit for Prized too, but they
> screwed up changing trainers on him.
>
> You can't live in the past. Its amazing that they
> have a business going. Maybe they dont. Maybe
> thats the root of the ridiculous response.
>
> Once again, great post John, I think you said
> volumes about the Pletcher methodology. What Team
> Valor needs is thirdly a better horse, secondly, a
> better trainer and most importantly better
> decision making as to the two preceding issues.
>
> He's a candidate for last in the Derby, last 1/4
> of the field in the Preakness.
> CHICKENS!
>
> Barry, you need someone to review pedigree and
> conformation. Badly. I can help. Thats a statement
> of fact. It's not easy and I'm not cheap. I'll
> even prove it. You provide me with the documents
> upon your top ten prospective Derby intended
> purchases next year and I'll pick the one that
> produces the most...gratis. After that, when you
> want my imput again, you'll pay dearly for it.
>
> John is right. Sell that hay burner.
>
> CtC
>
> JohnTChance Wrote:
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> > On this particular forum, opinions stem from
> > numbers and number analysis. It seems that,
> though
> > "a lot of variables go into this game," numbers
> > ARE the overwhelming part of the puzzle these
> > days, changing the way horses are perceived,
> and
> > even handled. When HARD SPUN ran that "clunker"
> in
> > his loss at Oaklawn, it was "numbers" that
> > redefined the perception of his performance.
> > Thoughts that the colt may not have handled the
> > Oaklawn surface, gave way to trainer Larry
> Jones
> > defended his colt by referring reporters to the
> > good sheet figure he ran. On the ThoroGraphs,
> HARD
> > SPUN had run another 2. That is, he ran well,
> not
> > poorly. And recently, Todd Pletcher changed the
> > schedule of his Derby-bound colts, giving one
> more
> > time. Wasn't that decision based, not so much
> upon
> > the horse's weight, blood count or breeding,
> but
> > as a sheets-influenced decision? There's
> tangible
> > sheets evidence that Todd's horses do well off
> > layoffs.
> >
> > The young Pletchers that run these huge orgasms
> > early on in their 3-yr. old year at GP - I'm
> > thinking of those from TEXAS GLITTER through to
> > LIMEHOUSE, VALUE PLUS, KEYED ENTRY and now KING
> OF
> > THE ROXY. When you run a -1 as an early 3 yr.
> old,
> > what do you expect next out, and thereafter? Do
> > you project they'll IMPROVE??? That they'll run
> a
> > -3 soon? A -4 on dem bones? The point is that
> > improvement has not been the norm, and whoever
> > manages a fast colt's future is viced in by
> that
> > magnificent early effort.
> >
> > I'm not surprised an uncharitable expression
> about
> > pharmacology as it relates to performance is
> > ridiculed. How "absurdly naive!," eh? Mindful
> of
> > your comments on this forum about Dr. Harthill
> a
> > while back - something to the effect that "he's
> > the best, and it's to my advantage to use him" -
> I
> > can twist the argument and throw it right back
> at
> > you to meet you at mid-field. So you think that
> > Pletcher's horses aren't profoundly effected by
> > steroids and injections? They run these -1
> > ThoroGraphs just on their own natural God-given
> > development? Hay, oats and water only? Yeah.
> > Right. God Bless America. You're wrong.
> >
> > JTC


Chuckles, first of all, how dare you use a handle from my favorite play "A Thousand Clowns."

Secondly, nowhere in the history of the Turf do we read of Chuckles the Clown's impact in the major races on the calendar.

As for Prized, he was trained by Neil Drysdale the entire time I had anything to do with him. When he won the Breeders Cup Turf in the first grass race of his life, I won enough betting with bookies in England to buy a house.

I humbly submit to you that whatever you think you may have accomplished, that every single year we at Team Valor do more.

This year we have already had 6 stakes winners, 5 of which were bought by me as yearlings, including Fairbanks, who is one of the few high-priced yearlings in recent years to perform well on the track. His 115 Beyer (did I actually say BEYER! What an idiot I am!!!) is the best over a route of ground by any horse in the country this year.

Good luck with your fantasy stable, pal.