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Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (356 Views)
Posted by: stillinger (IP Logged)
Date: September 15, 2007 11:36PM

Not that it matters, but I wish I had said this. The last line is one of the biggest current edges in No America - I don't even know why I would say that in public, old and soft I guess.
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Ill-bred Wrote:
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> Those jumping all over Mr. Irwin should realize he
> is not attacking Thorograph's quality. It's a
> question of the nature of turf racing vs. dirt
> racing, and how turf racing is best understood
> (and measured).
>
> Can you bet top figure horses or pattern horses on
> the turf and get a fair number of winners? Yes
>
> If you were an average turf handicapper before you
> got into Thorograph, will it move you up?
> Probably
>
> Are final-time based speed figures, even excellent
> ones like Thorograph, the best way to judge a turf
> race? No!
>
> And that's not a slam on Thorograph in any way.
> They make great figs, and their accompanying stats
> range from useful to groundbreaking.
>
> But if you handicap a turf race using speed
> figures as your No. 1 measurement, you are going
> to miss a big part of the picture.
>
> The great thing about Beyer figures is that they
> are not very good for turf racing, yet they have a
> strong influence on the wagering.



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Pucker Up (RotW) (761 Views) EJXD2 09/14/2007 11:54AM
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Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (466 Views) marcus 09/14/2007 12:36PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (427 Views) fkach 09/14/2007 01:20PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (410 Views) Josephus 09/14/2007 03:10PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (438 Views) stillinger 09/14/2007 04:51PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (411 Views) davidrex 09/14/2007 08:20PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (478 Views) Barry Irwin 09/14/2007 08:56PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (429 Views) Frank 09/14/2007 09:15PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (427 Views) Michael D. 09/14/2007 09:43PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (438 Views) stillinger 09/14/2007 10:33PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (407 Views) stillinger 09/14/2007 11:09PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (490 Views) Barry Irwin 09/15/2007 07:02AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (406 Views) P.Eckhart 09/15/2007 09:16AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (387 Views) fkach 09/15/2007 09:46AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (375 Views) Frank 09/15/2007 09:48AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (423 Views) Michael D. 09/15/2007 11:42AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (434 Views) TGJB 09/15/2007 04:36PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (421 Views) Ill-bred 09/15/2007 10:30PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (356 Views) stillinger 09/15/2007 11:36PM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (412 Views) Barry Irwin 09/16/2007 12:27AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) Turf Talk (363 Views) fkach 09/16/2007 10:26AM
Re: Pucker Up (RotW) (377 Views) stillinger 09/16/2007 12:58AM


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