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Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (907 Views)
Posted by: Marc At (IP Logged)
Date: February 07, 2003 05:47PM

"but you're not smart enough to know it, or how your stuff plays."

Perhaps you're the one who doesn't know how your stuff plays?

"1-- Notice I did not say any of those things you ascribed to me (destroyed, etc.) to Alydar."

No, but you rather regularly make these comments to anyone who disagrees with you here who is not a customer of yours.

"2-- My question about users of the two products MIGHT have been a characterization IF I HAD ANSWERED IT. I stated what had taken place, and asked those reading to make their OWN characterizations. Get it?"

Finally, an acknowledgement that characterization might indeed be the right word to explain what you did. The ground shifts slightly. Now let's come completely clean-- again I find myself quoting your words:

""Now, what does ALL THIS TELL US about the two products, AND THOSE WHO USE THEM?"

To me, this speaks volumes. Does it "tell us" that they (Ragozin customers) are wonderful people? No, clearly, ay reading of the full post or the quote above indicates that "all this," as attributed to the Chilukki dialogue and Ragozin customers not demanding more of Friedman, is a negative as it pertains to Ragozin customers. And accordingly, the question quoted above is clearly making a broad, negative characterization at "those who use" Ragozin.

"3-- You also OF COURSE, BEING WHO YOU ARE, AND ARGUING THE WAY YOU DO, have re-cast my original statement in order to attack it."

This is also one of your tactics-- claim that you have been fouled by some sort of recasting. You made a statement about Ragozin customers when you characterized the way you did. You didn't (and don't) understand that there's other ways of handling things than your way-- fine. But trying to pretend it wasn't anything other than a broad characterization, when it clearly was, is not something I take well.

"I don't characterize Ragozin players AS A MATTER OF COURSE".

But then you proceeded to do precisely that. A broad, negativecharacterization.

"4-- Yeah, that's probably it-- if the sampling was bigger,"

I have no idea what would become apparent if the sampling was bigger. Your confidence that you can figure out an entire customer base of several thousand people off of those who contribute on a Bboard(s), well, I don't share it.


"it would become apparent that Ragozin players are as likely to ask hard questions of Friedman as both they and the TG players are of me. So when you, Patent, Plever, Litt, Soup, Jim, et al, are willing to grill me, but not Friedman, no one should draw any conclusions from it."


There's a ton of reasons why people don't grill Friedman. #1, and far and away #1, is because he's not responsive to it. You then have to decide whether that means his figures are bad or if there are other reasons that are less harmful to one's ROI. Every Ragozin player I know who actually cares about this stuff, they choose the latter logic.

I aoplogize for taking up your time with another laughably moronic post.



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Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (1719 Views) TGJB 02/04/2003 07:42PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (830 Views) Alydar in California 02/04/2003 10:36PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (794 Views) TGJB 02/04/2003 11:00PM
Ford to NY: Drop Dead (836 Views) Alydar in California 02/04/2003 11:18PM
Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (884 Views) Alydar in California 02/05/2003 05:34AM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (920 Views) TGJB 02/05/2003 02:47PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (903 Views) Alydar in California 02/06/2003 02:33AM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (920 Views) TGJB 02/06/2003 01:31PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (807 Views) Alydar in California 02/06/2003 03:04PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (863 Views) Alydar in California 02/06/2003 08:26PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (772 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 02:33PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (835 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 02:38PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (884 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 02:48PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (828 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 03:07PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (858 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 03:57PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (839 Views) Silver Charm 02/07/2003 03:10PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (898 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 03:22PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (910 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 04:07PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (952 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 04:19PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (816 Views) Marc At 02/07/2003 04:35PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (887 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 05:10PM
Re: Chilukki: (not really) (918 Views) supey 02/08/2003 04:08AM
Re: Chilukki: (not really) (864 Views) TGJB 02/08/2003 12:27PM
Re: some comedian (887 Views) son of supes 02/08/2003 01:25PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (934 Views) thomas 02/07/2003 11:26PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (778 Views) TGJB 02/08/2003 12:17PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (905 Views) thomas 02/09/2003 10:01PM
Re: Chilukki: Hard Cases Make Bad Law (851 Views) TGJB 02/10/2003 11:11AM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (791 Views) Silver Charm 02/05/2003 11:27AM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (849 Views) Alydar in California 02/05/2003 02:00PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (865 Views) HP 02/05/2003 02:04PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (809 Views) Silver Charm 02/05/2003 02:14PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (800 Views) Alydar in California 02/05/2003 02:25PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (791 Views) Silver Charm 02/05/2003 02:46PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (793 Views) Alydar in California 02/05/2003 06:25PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (878 Views) Silver Charm 02/07/2003 01:19PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (863 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 01:59PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (752 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 01:59PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (878 Views) Silver Charm 02/07/2003 03:48PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (846 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 03:59PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (899 Views) Silver Charm 02/07/2003 04:19PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (857 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 04:29PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (844 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 04:43PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (895 Views) Alydar in California 02/07/2003 05:05PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (876 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 05:18PM
Idea to End All Ideas (936 Views) Alydar in California 02/08/2003 04:13AM
Re: Date: 02-08-03 04:13 (680 Views) supey 02/08/2003 04:17AM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (861 Views) supey 02/08/2003 04:39AM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (823 Views) bj 02/08/2003 11:11AM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (851 Views) Alydar in California 02/09/2003 07:19AM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (799 Views) bj 02/09/2003 10:57AM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (826 Views) bdhsheets 02/09/2003 03:19PM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (757 Views) TGJB 02/08/2003 12:09PM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (831 Views) supey 02/08/2003 01:30PM
Re: Idea to End All Ideas (796 Views) TGJB 02/08/2003 01:40PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (907 Views) Marc At 02/07/2003 05:47PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (802 Views) TGJB 02/07/2003 06:07PM
Re: Reposting--Friedman fires smoking gun--shoots foot (929 Views) Silver Charm 02/07/2003 04:48PM


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