i noticed the cliff's edge closed at 28-1, quite a bit higher than where he is trading in vegas. good value in my opinion, and now that i look closer, i probably should have ranked him. has the pedigree to get the job done, with mr prospector on top, and northern dancer on bottom (fupeg type pedigree). dosage is a touch high (4.0), but, again, the track on derby has been very quick lately, and speed/stalker types have run very well. i have the feeling TCE will eventually wind up being a better miler, but that does not mean he can't win the derby. good luck.