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Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (583 Views)
Posted by: Mall (IP Logged)
Date: March 15, 2004 11:16AM

Funny indeed, in the sense that the presentations expose the peculiar logic of racetrack executives. As Boscar & BitPlayer pt out, when all is said & done Berube at Tam shut off the two rebate shops because they won money in 2003. The way Berube sees things, it's okay to win a few bets, but if & only if the winner then proceeds to "churn" his or her winnings back into the pools at the industry avg of 7 times.

A single yr doesn't necessarily prove anything, & my reading leads me to believe that more often the complaint is the one voiced by Mitchell of WO, namely that rebate players are losing less than others. As stated in JB's letter, one of the arguments against doing business with bookmakers is the possibility that they will quit taking your action if you are too successful. Tampa(& maybe FG & Oak) demonstates that bookmakers are not the only ones willing to do so, which is not the same as saying that batch wagering is fair to the avg bettor. It's not, for reasons which have already been alluded to & a host of others which deserve separate consideration.

Another oft-repeated argument of those in favor of rebates is that players are price sensitive. If that's true, then what explains the fact that Tam, whose outrageous takeout rates are 18.9% for st wagers, 22.5% for the dd,e&qui, & 25.9% for everything else, has already experienced a $40 million increase in handle this yr?

Of course, if you buy into Berube's absurd logic, Tam in effect "reduced" its takeout w/o changing these percentages when he shut off the 2 rebate shops. As idiotic as that sounds, it pales in comparison to Mitchell's argument that lowering the take hurts the avg bettor because he would win more, which he would then proceed to churn & lose, leaving him worse off than he would have been if he had lost his money in the 1st place.

I agree with both players & owners(& by extension horsemen) when they argue that they have been & are getting screwed. The way I see it, these presentations offer some interesting insights in the mindset of those who are responsible for administering the screwing.



Subject Written By Posted
Rebates - I've Got Questions (872 Views) BitPlayer 03/10/2004 11:33PM
Re: Rebates - I've Got Questions (512 Views) TGJB 03/11/2004 03:35PM
The Basics of Batch Wagering. (581 Views) Mall 03/11/2004 04:53PM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (564 Views) TGJB 03/11/2004 05:34PM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (624 Views) Mall 03/11/2004 09:47PM
Don't Focus on Past-Posting (498 Views) BitPlayer 03/11/2004 11:13PM
Re: Don't Focus on Past-Posting (518 Views) Boscar Obarra 03/12/2004 01:17AM
Re: Don't Focus on Past-Posting (621 Views) Boscar Obarra 03/16/2004 11:12PM
Tampa's Perspective (533 Views) BitPlayer 03/12/2004 08:51AM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (592 Views) TGJB 03/12/2004 02:01PM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (532 Views) Boscar Obarra 03/14/2004 10:06PM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (557 Views) BitPlayer 03/14/2004 11:07PM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (591 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 03/15/2004 03:01AM
Exacta Pool Inefficiencies (570 Views) BitPlayer 03/15/2004 09:03AM
Re: Exacta Pool Inefficiencies (597 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 03/15/2004 09:31AM
Re: The Basics of Batch Wagering. (583 Views) Mall 03/15/2004 11:16AM
Panel discussion on rebates (523 Views) Thehoarsehorseplayer 03/11/2004 04:02PM
Re: Panel discussion on rebates (490 Views) BitPlayer 03/11/2004 07:06PM
You got that right BitPlayer (580 Views) Thehoarsehorseplayer 03/11/2004 08:11PM
Re: You got that right BitPlayer (518 Views) gowand 03/11/2004 10:47PM


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