Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2023 Breeders' Cup Days Final Figures Santa Anita 3-4 November 2023  • 1 Specials Available
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Gunnevara - have to play against..... (1269 Views)
Posted by: jimbo66 (IP Logged)
Date: March 31, 2017 08:49PM

Sort of surprised to read from a few folks on this thread who are board regulars, talking about Gunnevara in a positive light.

Really? LEt's see, he gets an EXTREMELY favorable pace set up his last race, which he doesn't figure to get today, he comes into this race off a 5 point top with this the race BEFORE the Derby, where he needs to peak, and "oh by the way", let's give him post 11, which at this distance is somewhere around 1% win rate. Oh yes, and you are going to get 4/5 on the horse, best case.

Geez. I know there are almost no "have to" rules in betting horses, but this horse has to be tossed for any of those reasons.

The problem is who to play in the race.

First Dreamin has a hard to believe series of figs on TG. I get his last figure, but two back seems incredibly slow. Figures aside for a second, Pletcher scratches Battalion runner, who seemingly would have been a solid second choice, to let this guy run. And as TGJB points out, the horse is working like a monster when paired with any of TAPs other runners. 4-1 second choice on the ML a terrible value play, but I will use horizontally because Gunnevara won't be on any of my tickets.

I guess I like State of Honor best. seems to be flatlining on his pattern, but now sheds blinkers and if Gunnevara runs poorly, which I expect, this guy just pairing up from the rail may be enough. Very shaky at the distance, but as much as I hate Frenchie the jockey, one thing he is good at is conserving energy for a horse and maybe he trips out.

I will guess that some TG users will like Three Rules off his string of figures. And I can't blame them. But I think he is a sprinter and as much as I doubt the distance a bit for State of Honor, I double doubt the distance for this guy. Will be a defensive multi-race use.

Talk Logistics, at 30-1 on the ML, with an inside post, is a must-use for me. HE is one point slower than the rail horse, lightly raced enough to improve. And the price will be huge. Wish it was somebody besides Bravo, but the price compensates.

Will be looking for Gunnevara to be nowhere, with STate of Honor, Talk Logistics and First Dreamin my main uses, with a "B" on Three Rules.

Good luck.

Jim



Subject Written By Posted
FL Derby (1577 Views) johnnym 03/29/2017 12:51PM
Re: FL Derby (1278 Views) Silver Charm 03/29/2017 08:19PM
Re: FL Derby (1138 Views) firmturf 03/30/2017 11:50AM
Re: FL Derby (1135 Views) Silver Charm 03/30/2017 07:38PM
Re: FL Derby (1204 Views) alydar61 03/30/2017 10:55AM
Re: FL Derby (1176 Views) johnnym 03/30/2017 12:28PM
Re: FL Derby (1095 Views) Niall 03/30/2017 08:06PM
Re: FL Derby (1187 Views) Tavasco 03/31/2017 02:13AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1089 Views) Niall 03/31/2017 08:58AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1096 Views) ajkreider 03/31/2017 11:40AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1103 Views) johnnym 03/31/2017 11:58AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1187 Views) TGJB 03/31/2017 12:51PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1034 Views) Tavasco 03/31/2017 03:52PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1020 Views) RICH 03/31/2017 09:27PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (797 Views) ruthlessman 04/01/2017 11:01AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (736 Views) Tavasco 04/01/2017 11:11AM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (902 Views) Tavasco 04/01/2017 12:28PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (796 Views) ruthlessman 04/01/2017 12:52PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (916 Views) mlnolan00 03/31/2017 09:53PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (1054 Views) jimbo66 03/31/2017 10:29PM
Re: FL Derby - Outside the figures (883 Views) jbelfior 04/01/2017 07:35AM
Re: Gunnevera (1090 Views) BitPlayer 03/31/2017 06:57PM
Re: Gunnevera (1109 Views) johnnym 03/31/2017 07:23PM
Re: Gunnevera (Sano = Marcus Vitali) (1053 Views) JohnTChance 03/31/2017 08:25PM
Gunnevara - have to play against..... (1269 Views) jimbo66 03/31/2017 08:49PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.