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Re: Always Dreaming (1680 Views)
Posted by: jimbo66 (IP Logged)
Date: May 07, 2017 08:16AM

First off, congrats to Furious Pete and a few others that liked Always Dreaming. Personally, couldn't have been more wrong about the race. Hated Always Dreaming and loved Practical Joke and Irish War Cry. The latter was horrendous and the former was just OK (got a ride I could not have expected from post 19 - in a good way, and still was relatively empty).

Despite Treadhead and Jerry apparently not noticing, the rail was iron for almost the two full days. And as is the case with iron rails, speed was really good as well.

That said, hard to say how much that helped AD as he set a "plus" pace, put away a horse up front that wasn't any good (stately honor), then put away the fastest horse in the race (Irish War Cry) and was drawing away in the stretch. While speed and the rail were good, the visual on the derby wasn't one of a bias win. Bias aided wins look like Big World and Benner Island on Friday and CAviar Czar on Saturday. Where the front runner looks like they will be swallowed on the turn and through most of the stretch but they miraculously "keep finding".

This horse was extremely good, bias or not. I, for one, am not salivating to bet against (or on) him in 2 weeks in the Preakness. Part of that is that exactly who ran well enough yesterday to give a mulligan to? Maybe Classic Empire, off a terrible trip? Not lookin at lee, who never left a gold rail (great ride).

TGJB, as for the figure. there were 8 lengths between the winner and the third place finisher. I can't imagine this is going to be a slow figure. Or a backwards move as JP702006 suggests. What, every horse then X'ed? Literally every one.

How about another view. The Bluegrass being as fast as TG had it, meant a couple of key things. It meant McCracken was sitting on a nice forward move, perhaps the most likely horse to run well, it meant Practical Joke had a forward moving line with moderate steps and looked great as well. Well, make the Bluegrass two points slower, which is not out of line, all of a sudden McCracken and Practical Joke are both moving backwards, not forwards, Classic Empire still hasn't gotten to his 2 year old top and with Irish War Cry sitting on a possible bounce, all the "fast horses" maybe don't run. (which happened.)

Not sour grapes, just a thought.

Jim



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Always Dreaming (2386 Views) FrankD. 05/06/2017 09:58PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1789 Views) TGJB 05/06/2017 11:09PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1407 Views) jp702006 05/06/2017 11:27PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1680 Views) jimbo66 05/07/2017 08:16AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1378 Views) jbelfior 05/07/2017 08:41AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1369 Views) TreadHead 05/07/2017 08:58AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1259 Views) Leamas57 05/07/2017 09:22AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1103 Views) albatross 05/07/2017 09:41AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1336 Views) jimbo66 05/07/2017 10:04AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1143 Views) jerry 05/07/2017 10:05AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1166 Views) ajkreider 05/07/2017 10:52AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1457 Views) bellsbendboy 05/07/2017 01:08PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1416 Views) TGJB 05/07/2017 02:58PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1088 Views) bellsbendboy 05/08/2017 10:28PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1095 Views) hellersorr 05/09/2017 12:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1164 Views) TGJB 05/09/2017 12:47AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1012 Views) FrankD. 05/09/2017 06:15AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1111 Views) richiebee 05/09/2017 08:38AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1033 Views) Furious Pete 05/09/2017 11:40AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1136 Views) FrankD. 05/09/2017 07:47PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1145 Views) big18741 05/07/2017 09:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1531 Views) FrankD. 05/07/2017 09:08AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1101 Views) belmont3 05/07/2017 10:23AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1162 Views) FrankD. 05/07/2017 11:18AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1313 Views) belmont3 05/07/2017 11:54AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1208 Views) Fairmount1 05/07/2017 02:35PM
Re: Always Dreaming (977 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 02:48PM
Re: Always Dreaming (969 Views) Airnate012 05/09/2017 03:06PM
Re: Always Dreaming (986 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 03:19PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1013 Views) Niall 05/09/2017 03:28PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1022 Views) Michael D. 05/09/2017 03:40PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1212 Views) Tavasco 05/09/2017 04:41PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1047 Views) TGJB 05/09/2017 05:57PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1043 Views) Tavasco 05/09/2017 07:00PM
Re: Always Dreaming (947 Views) TempletonPeck 05/09/2017 06:54PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1051 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 10:07PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1093 Views) moosepalm 05/09/2017 10:46PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1016 Views) boardedup 05/10/2017 10:13AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1029 Views) Rich Curtis 05/10/2017 11:57AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1028 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 12:48PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1134 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:00PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1099 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 02:08PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1063 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:21PM
Re: Always Dreaming (998 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 02:30PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1161 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:32PM
Bias update Derby Weekend (1042 Views) Furious Pete 06/15/2017 04:38PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1042 Views) trwhis2 05/09/2017 11:16PM
Re: Always Dreaming (901 Views) hellersorr 05/10/2017 04:09PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1196 Views) jerry 05/07/2017 09:54AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1187 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 06:49PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1275 Views) Furious Pete 05/07/2017 11:04AM
Re: Sheets Players (1259 Views) BitPlayer 05/07/2017 01:02PM
Bodemeister (1311 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 05:47PM
Re: Bodemeister (1411 Views) TGJB 05/07/2017 05:49PM
Re: Bodemeister (1278 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 05:54PM
Re: Bodemeister (1227 Views) Topcat 05/08/2017 08:07AM
Re: Bodemeister (1095 Views) T Severini 05/08/2017 05:41PM
Re: Bodemeister (1062 Views) Topcat 05/09/2017 09:23AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1210 Views) T Severini 05/09/2017 07:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1031 Views) T Severini 05/08/2017 11:46PM


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