Jimbo66, I didn't hear Leon Blu's comments but find it very telling. I agree with you and him on BBt. Until you mentioned it, I didn't realize his record with Derby Winners going forward, that might never be matched. I was always a big fan of RFL, not in TC races but overall, and think BBt has certainly taken his place. Let's face it, those two got very good stock, just not as many of them as TAP. Is it possible that is the difference? Where they have more of a hands on approach. BBt has many assistants, but the horses are basically all in the same place, Ca. Until later in his career RFL had them all together, then sort of Ca. NY in the summer fall later in his career. I don't know the numbers under their care, but I expect TAP has two or three times the horses. I guess it all depends how you grade them, because TAP will leave the game with a higher net worth than about any trainer in history. To sum it up, if you have a top 3YO, and BBt will take him, why not.