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Re: Early Stab at Derby M/L, '18 (1259 Views)
Posted by: Fairmount1 (IP Logged)
Date: April 17, 2018 10:22PM

Clearly missed the mark on him according to some texts I've received already as well.

A few notes on MM though.

Keeping him lower is his undefeated record for certain and many of the future books have him very low. So I could be way off here but....

Here are some thoughts on why he might be a little higher than some are thinking right now. Top Beyer figure has not been over 100 and Justify, Mendehlsson, and Bolt all with figures over 100 to date. Good Magic is a 2yo champ and Chad Brown's Only horse. MM is Trained by Pletcher but Johnny V and JJ are elsewhere (I understand Saez has been with him since debut but thinking some may push their money in JV and JJ direction). Pletcher has four of them in the race and all four of them won their last prep. I think the Pletcher money gets spread out a bit b/c of the jock assignments.

In 2015, Materiality came in to the Derby with 3 starts all at 3, All at GP. He was undefeated with Beyer Figs of 87, 102, 110 in the Florida Derby. He went off at 11.50-1 while stablemate Carpe Diem went off third choice 7.70-1. Carpe Diem came in with a record of 5-4-1-0 with a best fig of 98. Johnny V rode Carpe and JJ rode Materiality. So, when Pletcher has these multiple horses in these Derbies some surprising things happen with his horses it seems. I'm not married to 17-1 and will think it through some more but there are reasons to believe he won't be 2nd choice as some are believing. If I could amend it I'd play around with putting him closer to the 10-1 mark while adjusting others and not even sure if lower or higher just yet.

Thanks for the feedback.



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