Has there ever been and how many ( I bet there hasnt been too many ) trainers that has had soild year after year. One day these trainers that you talked about at first will go down for a year or so and come back. I have no problem with any of these trainers, they don't brother me at all. Does their horses keep jumping up and beating your picks?? Hell their only winning around 25 to 29%, it's not like their at 50%. You really think that Bob B and Lukas are gone for good??