I am not interested in getting in the middle of a war between the companies. I am a fan of both companies and believe they are far ahead of anything else out there. I would never bet on a race that I cannot get sheets for (either from Thorograph or Ragozin). If I can, I like to get both sets of sheets and handicap each race twice. I am not raising the discrepancies I have raised out of any sort of malice -- the problem I raised could have ended up being in the Thorograph figures. When I posted, I did not know who was right and who was wrong. I believe that healthy discourse on figure making is good for everybody and helps everybody who participates in such dialogs. I also believed, as I have seen in the past, that TGJB would take the question seriously and get to the bottom of it even if it put the spotlight on a mistake of his own (remember, TGJB did not respond terribly enthusiastically to my initial post). Also, I have seen TGJB admit on this board before when there were mistakes in his figures (I recall a northern California maiden claimer running some out of sight figure and then TGJB mea culping (if you can use that as a verb) that somebody had subtracted a variant instead of adding it). While still trying to maintain my anonymity, anybody who would like to meet me can usually find me at the bookmakerskaya in the Metellitsa Cherry Casino on the Novy Arbat on the evenings they are offering the first three races from Philadelphia Park. It will be obvious which guy is me (and if for some reason it is not, just ask the manager to point out his only American customer). FYI, this is a great place to bet on the Breeders Cup because they use English odds and allow you the option fixirovat (meaning you can bet at the odds they are offering at a particular moment and lock them in rather than accepting the post time odds). I was able to lock in 7-2 on Ashado at 5 minutes to post and 4-1 on Ghostzapper around the same point (although it was not even necessary as that was his off odds here -- Ashado did fall to 3-1 at post). Just so that I am not accused of unfairly redboarding, on the same day, I locked in a lot of other more tasty odds that I ended up not cashing (the ones that particular come to mind are the 13-2 I was able to get on Midas Eyes and, ironically enough, the 25-1 I was able to lock in on Moscow Burning).