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Re: Horsemanship (544 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: January 10, 2005 10:15PM

The games most serious cheater is undoutedly Robert Frankel.

It began in 2000, post Triple Crown with Aptitude. Thats when he found the edge. The performance figures of his horses escalated suddenly and though horses have gotten faster in the same time frame I see a distinct speed jump in the Frankels. After Aptitude, Lido Palace followed, followed in short order by Megadeath, (I can never spell his name), then Peace Rules and Empire Maker, then Ghostzapper and now Badge of Silver. Theres others I can't recall off the top of my head and I'm not even factoring sprinters. But I will say Frankel got more out of the five year old Albedaran or whatever his name was than was really in the tank.

Trainers do not get runs of good horses like this. Lukas had some good runs years back but he had more good horses than any trainer has ever had. He rarely picked another horse up from another trainer and moved him forward. Criminal Type perhaps, but that was one that matured a little later in my estimation. Frankel is picking many of his up as hand me downs. You do the math.

Theres no doubt in my mind Frankel is cheating. None whatsoever. He's got a new vet and the item is called titration. If I understand it correctly, its bloodpacking. Saturation of oxygen.

The other item thats been going around is "milkshakes". A milkshake is ingested and the compound is chemically: NaHCO3. Theres three molecules of oxygen at the end of that compound. Those broken down molecules are getting into the horses blood.

I don't know every trainer that is cheating, but theres others besides Frankel that I know are. I think you know one I've mentioned. Others besides that one, many know. I'm not going to mention every trainer I know is jumping horses because a couple are not well known and are on my play list.

Theres a problem here. It can be an opportunity, but if you dont recognize either you're in a tough spot.

CtC



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