If you're right about some of those others SC, they slipped by me. T.Gulch was rejected by Lukas at the sales but he picked him up because the buyer brought the horse to him. (Lukas actually scratched his name off in the sales catalogue) I don't think he started for another trainer. I could be wrong. I never considered Slew City that good a horse. (He popped on speed tracks for a race or two didn't he?)I dont think he beat Alysheba at 10 marks but I really can't remember. I think Azeri fell off this past year. Lukas got her to run no faster than De Sereau (sic) ever did. He didn't get as much out of her through mishandling and misplacement and thats why she'll be runner up in the eclipse. The voters can count and they can measure head to head.

The one that you mentioned that makes the strongest case for Lukas is probably Twilight Agenda. But, I can't remember where he came from. The same for Spain. I swore he had her all along. I don't factor turf horses. Turf can move them up as well. Lukas is many things, but hes' not a turf trainer and I'm factoring Marlin who you forgot.

But the key with Lukas will obviously be comparing the speed figures. Did Lukas actually move this animals forward like Frankel is doing? Lukas's success is getting to be pretty remote so I can't pull numbers for any horse but Azeri and he most certainly did not impact her favorably.

I know he moved Criminal Type. I think he moved Twilight. I can't remember Gulch. Thats about as far as I can go. And he caught twilight at four is my recollection. My general read is that he picked up horses that were already fast. But we need someone with back figures to substantiate and many of these horses predate my computer era.

CtC



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