Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2023 Breeders' Cup Days Final Figures Santa Anita 3-4 November 2023  • 1 Specials Available
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Re: Brave New World (393 Views)
Posted by: NoCarolinaTony (IP Logged)
Date: April 30, 2005 12:48AM

It was 72. Riva Ridge did win the Derby that year, won two legs of the triple crown and was from the exact same connections as Secrateriat ( Laurin, Turcotte Chenery).

Right now, I agree he's (BR) the biggest dilema I've seen in quite some time. All three horses could bounce while a few other could improve making this a very close race. But lets face it, it's probably down to 6-7 who "could Win" with4 of them making up greater that 75% likely hood ( Bellamy Road, Bandini, Afleet Alex and Greeley Galaxy ) with High Fly , High Limit and Sun King as the other possible. Perhaps Sun king did not like Keeneland and loves CD. He worked well. Frankel's got us thinking about HL with his work with GZ.

But the issue of whether or not Bellamy Roads figure is right I again believe JB's right on the mark. The Horse did tie a 34 year old track mark of a High Quality "REAL GOOD HORSE" for a track thats been around for quite some time. I think we need to accept that fig and work with the scenario. I think you would be mistaken if you don't accpet the facts this time. Some three year olds have bounced significantly off new tops prior to the derby. Look at the history for specifics.

The question we need to ask ourslves is Can Belamy Pair or run an off but not an x, Can Bandini Run pair or another new top? Can GG run another new Top, Can AA run another new top? Can Sun King, Noble Causeway, High Limit and Fly jump up 3-5 points (depending on which one)? We need to develop a few scenarios as to how this race will be run after the PP assignments to help answer those questions.

NC Tony



Subject Written By Posted
Brave New World (632 Views) TGJB 04/29/2005 04:33PM
Re: Brave New World (420 Views) kev 04/29/2005 04:41PM
Re: Brave New World (362 Views) TGJB 04/29/2005 04:48PM
Re: Brave New World (373 Views) kev 04/29/2005 04:52PM
Re: Brave New World (378 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 04/29/2005 05:17PM
Re: Brave New World (368 Views) jimbo66 04/29/2005 08:50PM
Re: Brave New World (481 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 04/29/2005 09:54PM
Re: Brave New World (336 Views) NoCarolinaTony 04/29/2005 10:08PM
Re: Brave New World (401 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 04/29/2005 10:38PM
Re: Brave New World (409 Views) jimbo66 04/29/2005 11:13PM
Re: Brave New World (353 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 04/30/2005 09:20AM
Afleet Al (387 Views) richiebee 04/30/2005 12:24PM
Re: Brave New World (393 Views) NoCarolinaTony 04/30/2005 12:48AM
Re: Brave New World (341 Views) Kasept 04/30/2005 05:35AM
Re: Brave New World (396 Views) TGJB 04/30/2005 02:17PM
Re: Brave New World (413 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 04/30/2005 03:59PM
Trainer tells me... (399 Views) SJU5 04/29/2005 06:58PM
Re: Trainer tells me... (372 Views) asfufh 04/30/2005 01:22AM
Re: Trainer tells me... (420 Views) asfufh 04/30/2005 01:29AM
Re: Trainer tells me... (328 Views) SJU5 04/30/2005 08:50AM
Re: Brave New World (366 Views) Boscar Obarra 04/29/2005 10:02PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.