Silver Charm Wrote:
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> >I have no data, this was an eyeball study.
>
> You need to get your eyes checked.

Hey, the stats are there in the link. You just have to update them for Saturday in your head. In other words, you have to add lots more money to Baffert. He won 6 races Saturday. Two stakes. You can count the nominees, the dollars spent and the dollars earned if you wish. If I'm off, I'm not off by much.

> Lukas doesn't really have the client base any
> longer to be a big sales player and several of the
> Overbrooks are in the hands of former assistants
> Pletcher and Stewart.

Most of the Overbrooks are in Lukas's care. Its in the link.

> How has Shug been doing
> lately with Derby horses from all of those Phipps
> Blue Blood mares? Including the ones they didn't
> even nominate, are unraced, or the mare was
> barren.

Shug has one nominee per a quick persusal that has not started. Phipps stable has made a huge mistake in recent years in what stallion they send their mares to. Thats probably part of it. But my guess is Shug's averages better ROI with his one horse than all of Lukas's and Pletchers combined.

How about Farish? He's due.
>
> The point being this is not a very exact science
> and it is a rich mans game. Baffert didn't buy the
> $8.0M turtle, someone else did and gave it to him.
> Why should it count against his record. However he
> started with about 50 expensive well-bred two
> year-olds and will end up with two Derby runners.

> He probably has beaten the odds.

I believe Baffert had fewer nominees than Lukas, but he appeared to have spent more money. These horses are bid upon with consultation from the trainers in instances where they train for the buyer. Should a trainer be able to spot a bargain? Yeah he should. Should a trainer know when to dissuade a client from a horse. Yeah, I think he should. But thats certainly not a skill Lukas or his disciples have.

> If The Green Monkey doesn't win the Derby next
> year is it Pletchers fault.

Yes it most certainly is. The Green Monkey is a 16 million dollar Forestry isn't he and Pletcher has all the chemistry money can buy. You bet its his fault. He sure as hell better win and win big with that horse. Thats part of deal.