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Re: The Truth about SNS (673 Views)
Posted by: miff (IP Logged)
Date: May 02, 2006 05:53PM

Jim,

As Jerry has stated more than once,many sheets readers use different interpreting factors when looking at TG data.I have always been cautious of runners that get fast figs which have an inordinate component of "wide"(ground loss) in them, especially when measuring them against runners that are more 1-2w-ish, for example.

B and J was very wide turn one in the Wood(Prado race rode gomez around the clubhouse turn).Against the adjusted clock that day, the race came up slow by my measuring stick with the last 3/8ths beyond slow at 40.50(very fast early pace caused this imo).I agree with the fig awarded by TG.His last in CAL was very wide last turn(he had gate trouble in that race)

I have followed B & J all the way this year and was high on him early.I thought Jerry had given him slower figs than he earned in two Cal races. I no longer believe that. He has only won when he stalked from very close range and grinded down the winner or pulled away after setting slow fractions(Check his lines and see what you think) His internals(a form of pace figs) confirm he is fairly one paced and does not posess anywhere near the acceleration of 8 others.I do not believe B & J has any chance of being in his normal comfort zone, i.e.stalking from up close, so thats my main knock. Also,don't forget Baffy ran away with B&J from that "thing" (he calls Bro Derek that)


I will also be eliminating Bro Derek because he will NOT control this race like he usually does. I know he vied three wide one race but he pulled.How he will handle racing from behind/stalking a bit may be his undoing and he's chalk.


I note your methodology from your various posts. I followed the "book" religiously until I became more comfortable using figs along with other aides.If you took 5 experienced sheet readers you will surely have different opinions.If you are successful with your style,don't let anyone talk you out of it.Good Luck

Mike



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