Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2024 Kentucky Oaks/Derby Days Final Figures Churchill Downs May 4 & May 5, 2024 
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Re: Fast pace, new top (619 Views)
Posted by: Michael D. (IP Logged)
Date: September 27, 2003 09:09PM

in some races, jockeys will choose to rate their horses well behind slow paces. the most obvious examples of this tactic are Santos and Samyn. some jockeys will not chose to use this tactic. this smarter group of jockeys include Bailey and Velazquez. in the aggregate, you will find that slower races do indeed produce slower times, simply because some jockeys have a game plan going in; they want to come from off the pace, regardless of how fast or slow they are running. if all jockeys had the pace instinct of Bailey, pace would not influence the final time of horse races. unfortunately, all jockeys do not have this instinct. of course, there are exceptions. i think Balto Star set a track record last month over at Mth after setting a slow pace in a turf marathon. i have been looking at this subject for a number of years now, and i am quite confident in my conclusions. i wish i had documented my findings over the years, but i think any handicapper could do the work quite easily........ funny how everybody remembers the festin race. i was in the top row at the far left side of the Belmont grandstand that day, and had a great view of festin while he swept by the field. think there was another big time closer in that race, maybe Strike the Gold? anyway, i always liked festin, and remember being quite upset when he won without my money...
as for TMW, i do think he was helped along by the ultra quick SAR strip and the fast pace on travers day, and i would be very suprised if he ever came within three or four points of his travers # while running ten furlongs without the same ideal conditions.




Subject Written By Posted
Fast pace, new top (1093 Views) OPM 09/25/2003 01:28AM
Re: Fast pace, new top (738 Views) 09/25/2003 09:03AM
Re: Fast pace, new top (666 Views) JimP 09/25/2003 12:04PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (753 Views) 09/25/2003 02:32PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (858 Views) jbelfior 09/25/2003 03:13PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (704 Views) TGJB 09/25/2003 03:28PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (715 Views) jbelfior 09/25/2003 04:06PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (705 Views) 09/25/2003 07:51PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (698 Views) RICH 09/26/2003 10:13AM
Re: Fast pace, new top (724 Views) Mall 09/26/2003 11:13AM
Re: Fast pace, new top (721 Views) jbelfior 09/26/2003 11:56AM
Re: Fast pace, new top (816 Views) Mall 09/26/2003 02:25PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (768 Views) TGJB 09/26/2003 02:33PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (673 Views) Silver Charm 09/26/2003 03:21PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (665 Views) jbelfior 09/26/2003 04:47PM
Congaree (648 Views) derby1592 09/26/2003 05:07PM
Re: Congaree (689 Views) Silver Charm 09/26/2003 05:20PM
Re: Congaree (730 Views) JR 09/26/2003 07:04PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (738 Views) P-Dub 09/28/2003 01:53AM
Gutless? (766 Views) Mall 09/28/2003 08:59PM
Re: Gutless? (763 Views) OPM 09/28/2003 09:20PM
Re: Gutless? (816 Views) Mall 09/28/2003 10:43PM
Re: Gutless? (754 Views) TGJB 09/29/2003 12:27PM
Re: Gutless? (714 Views) Mall 09/29/2003 08:11PM
Re: Gutless? (682 Views) Frost King 09/29/2003 10:59PM
Hey Frost King (706 Views) Upper Nile 09/30/2003 07:53AM
Re: Hey Frost King (1071 Views) Frost King 09/30/2003 11:33PM
Re: Gutless? (825 Views) alm 10/03/2003 11:31AM
Re: Gutless? (784 Views) beyerguy 10/08/2003 05:56PM
Re: Gutless? (659 Views) 10/08/2003 07:44PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (672 Views) OPM 09/27/2003 09:58PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (663 Views) alm 09/27/2003 01:03PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (640 Views) 09/27/2003 04:32PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (789 Views) alm 09/27/2003 08:46PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (899 Views) 09/25/2003 07:33PM
hey JimP (711 Views) Michael D. 09/27/2003 09:58PM
example: Heat Haze (782 Views) Michael D. 09/27/2003 10:43PM
Re: hey JimP (700 Views) JimP 09/28/2003 09:54AM
Re: hey JimP (727 Views) Michael D. 09/28/2003 12:01PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (756 Views) TGJB 09/25/2003 12:42PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (761 Views) 09/25/2003 02:59PM
Re: Fast pace, new top (619 Views) Michael D. 09/27/2003 09:09PM
ahh, 1991 (747 Views) BB 09/28/2003 01:43AM
Re: ahh, 1991 (748 Views) Michael D. 09/28/2003 12:08PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.