I could've sworn someone ran a 3 in the Derby way back when but I could be wrong. I know TGulch did it in '95, and that's about ten years. Spend A Buck? Did he win the Derby? It's been a long day...

Even so, from the 5-6 you cite up to Smarty is about 8 lengths (and from TGulch in '95 it's about 6). I guess I'm just reacting to you saying "10-20 lengths." It's more like 10, tops.

I disagree with Class on the comparison between the Rag and TG scales. The variant making technique has changed and evolved but I think some elements of this type of figure making formula (wind, ground, etc.) are pretty stable. I would accept a Rag "zero" for argument's sake as a historical frame of reference. I can accept it as "in the ballpark" without getting into a whole Rags v. TG debate.

Can't we all just get along? I'm getting old reading this already. How can I win some money tmw.? Maybe Superman will show up and agree to spin the Earth backwards to Secretariat's Derby so we can start the TG scale there and really figure it out once and for all.

HP