Jimbo,

"I am going to pass on the veiled comments you made about my inability get passwords considering what I claim is my job, and also your implications about algorithms, interfaces and probabilities"

They aren't "veiled". Nothing I've done or said is "veiled"; nothing you've said is unacknowledged, as it relates to me. I believe you about the programmers and the math and the computers. Your statements just didn't jibe with being unable to get a password on the Ragozin board?

"I never got it[password]. I don't know why, maybe it was blocked as spam when they e-mailed it. I didn't care enough to investigate. I mentioned in passing on this board in a different thread that I never got my password and beyerguy was nice enough to send me his."

That speaks directly to what I asked about. Thank you for the ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. I accept that. I read it when you originally posted it some time ago. It's just that then you couched your statement in language making it sound like it was so difficult for you to do. I like your ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that it was because you didn't care enough.

"Now, you post on this board and instead of talking about any real issue,"

I have no position on the contest/study/methodology you propose. That has never been the topic of my posts. You are free to say what is a "real issue" for you, not for me. My posts are about COMMUNICATION as it relies on the ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of anothers' point of view. That is missing from JB. I took some shots at him on the other board, I came here so he would have opportunity to face his accuser(a human courtesy) and to clarify my concerns about his omission of ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

Further, in assessing which product to use, one can do a study, challenge the methodologies, or, one can make an assessment about the credibility of the person of the purveyor . You are interested in the methodology. I'm assessing the person. How does he sound to you?

Oh, you didn't even acknowledge my apology? That's truly a shame as they(apologies) are indeed a rare commodity on these boards.

Also, you made an accusation about identities and e-mail addresses. I ACKNOWLEDGED that, and provided mine, with a note about the justifications for protection. You have selectively ignored that.

" Did you notice the response over here to this? About 10 people chimed in with their own views on how a study could be done and how they would like the methodology to work. That is an interesting topic, at least it should be.
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Jimbo, again, this is about your topic of the study. As I said, I have no opinion about it. I do think you've stirred some interest in others for doing such a study. More power to you. Regarding the nastiness and personal attacks that creep into these posts, on both boards, I think they are adolescent. I AGREE with you. I can't take any responsibility for what others chose to do. However, if, in responding to a post, one goes to the trouble to ACKNOWLEDGE what the other is saying, the personal attacks dissipate(Seek first to understand, then to be understood-- from the 7 Habits of Highly Effective [Handicappers]). Thanks for making my point from another direction.

"Maybe I am stupid, unemployed and don't know a thing about technology"

Please, Jimbo, having one guy over here manufacturing his own insults to reply to i s quite enough. I know you are not stupid. I believe you supervise 100 programmers. I'm sure you know far more than me about technology.

" I guess what I don't understand is why things get so off subject when somebody from that board posts to somebody on this board."

I agree with you, again.