i agree - the fillie winning the derby is another thing . she didn't look to be in good shape to me as the camera followed her for a while after being unsaddled when leaving the oaks winners circle as i posted last week to the dismay of some who never did get back to say if they did or did not view the camera footage of the fillie walking back to the barn . at that time i felt the connections were "wise" not running her in the derby based on what the oaks race seemed to take out of her , so i would be surprised if she was fit to go in any race on 2 weeks and one day's rest . i could be wrong about this , and hope i am actually , but i thought i read somewhere that scat daddy was not too chipper .

curious jimbo about the kotr 2 yo foundation appraisal at the top of the thread , he ran down to the # 3 as a 2 yo like a kimmel horse and then tailed off significantly in his next two races ( while going 02X ) before running a negative #1 in his 3 yo debut - the entire 2 yo pattern and negative number @ 3 yo imo were red flags for potential sundness issues and altough i don't have his sheet in front of me , i would expect he ran off his top in the SA derby and ready to run the X now . i suppose my question is, as you invariably are an experienced handicapper and sheet reader , is what type of 2 yo foundation would you consider kotr established ...

incidentally fwiw and wagering strategies aside , i "like" SS to pair or move forward in the preakness and then repeat the same trend 3 weeks later in the belmont .

marcus