Without commenting on specific trainers, I want to make a couple of points.

1-- As I have made clear repeatedly, certain drugs that move up horses (like alkalizing agents {milkshakes}) are LEGAL unless they show up in a test in ridiculously high quantities. The argument is then an entirely different one-- not whether a trainer is moving horses up, but whether he is breaking a (stupid) rule.

2-- I know TWO different people that have had direct conversations with Allday in which he spoke in detail about drugging horses himself. One posts occasionally on this board. The other, who is someone I know VERY well, had dinner with me the same day he had an hour long comversation with Allday during which he went into specific detail about what he had been doing in the past, which was DEFINITELY illegal, everywhere. My guess is that he no longer does that a) because he doesn't have to (see 1 above), b) he told the other individual I know, later on, roughly what he WAS doing then, which lined up directly with what I subsequently learned about the milkshake-in-a-pill, and c) horses are not dying under suspicious circumstances, especially those moving OUT of the barns of move-up guys. Under the program he told my good friend about, coming off it was VERY bad for the horses.

3-- A friend of mine coined a term a few years ago-- the "d---head factor." It means that whichever side of any issue you are on, you will find yourself aligned with a d---head. CTC is obnoxious (intentionally, because he has a desperate need for attention). But he's not always wrong.

4-- Barry may not think Pletcher and Allday are doing anything, but he has himself been on the ramparts fighting drugs. And it's not because he doesn't think there is a problem.

5-- The way I can tell something is going on is when, ON FIGURES, several horses from the same barn make very unlikely move-ups at the same time. The chances of this statistically are very unlikely. Someday maybe we'll post all the sheets of the Frankel starters from April to June 2001. From what I have heard, that is when he started using Allday-- but that part is hearsay.

6-- At the minimum, to give the BETTOR a fighting chance, we need to have all CO2 tests published (every horse, every race), and a vet of record listed in the program. At that point we can look at some stats and run some sheets and see how things correlate, and begin to have a real discussion.