Mike,

We don't need to dig up the numbers. TG already did it for us, it's right in the archives. Horses who have run 2 negative or greater before July of their 3 year old year. I won't take your bet because you lost already. They run too big, they get knocked out. It's not a debate, it's happened to everyone of them that has run 2 negative or more. Not sure how many more it has to happen to before you believe that efforts of that magnitude knock horses out. We might as well just fast forward to April of 2010 when 3 of the horses that have run 2 negatives or greater in Derby preps don't make the derby or finish up the track in the derby and paste in your "Kool Aid" comments about my views now because it's happended with EVERY SINGLE young 3 year old in the last 5 years. No exceptions. You think it's a string of random coincidences. I find that hard to believe.

Jerkins hasn't ever had a 3 year old run that big of a number so I don't think talking to him would mean too much.

I talk to my trainers about it all of the time and they agree with me (surprise surprise, I pay the bills and they yes me to death).

If I ever own the big horse and he/she runs a big negative number early I will either sell it immediately or put them on the shelf for an extended period to recover from the big effort.

As always, I don't mean to be too dogmatic in my views, I find the back and forth very very enjoyable so please don't take any of this as anything more than a bunch of degenerates having some good argumemnts.