Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2024 Kentucky Oaks/Derby Days Final Figures Churchill Downs May 3 & May 4, 2024 
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (499 Views)
Posted by: johnnym (IP Logged)
Date: April 28, 2024 08:04AM

Morning

I wonder if the horse knows all those stats?

My initial thought after the BCC was this horse was squeezed to much to early with a - TG #.
Then he ran thru the wind in the FL derby and his # got even lower!
Initial thought I can’t wait to bet against him!
From a pure TG angle he is the fastest horse and IF the Fl derby # is good his history screams bounce.
Pletcher in the past has used the F.O.Y to FL derby angle.
This year he went Holy Bull, FL derby angle.
I was at Gulfstream Holy Bull day I went to the paddock to observe the goods and even my wife said, he looks dull. His performance reflected his appearance.

Fast forward to FL derby, this is not the same horse I saw Holy Bull day, he ran to his looks. Again after his FL derby I was of the opinion I can’t wait to bet against him..

As time passed watching workouts etc it really seems as this horse might just be flourishing.
Another point made every other horse in the race has to move forward to beat him, even if he pairs or runs an off.
Pletcher after a horse runs a new top runs a X 22% of the time and at CD runs an X 27% of the time.
The Pace:I do see a fast pace, I just don’t see Johnny V getting sucked into a pace duel.. Break, relax get into your 46 1/2 mile rhythm. I say horse will be sitting 4th on the outside going into the first turn.

I agree with HandRide the top 3 choices all have chinks in the armor.

If you toss Fierceness it’s a wide open race numbers wise..

I’m still on the fence but have a strong lean towards Fierceness.

Enjoy the conversation.
Good Luck

PS. Post 17 post has never won the derby. If your into that..



Subject Written By Posted
Fierceness, Derby Decisions (993 Views) Fairmount1 04/07/2024 08:38PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (710 Views) Fairmount1 04/07/2024 09:20PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (671 Views) johnnym 04/07/2024 09:33PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (655 Views) ajkreider 04/07/2024 10:06PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (619 Views) johnnym 04/07/2024 10:16PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (577 Views) trackjohn 04/08/2024 10:36AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (673 Views) grinder 04/08/2024 05:10PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (580 Views) trackjohn 04/09/2024 09:33PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (335 Views) grinder 04/28/2024 07:13AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (576 Views) Roman 04/10/2024 09:18PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (580 Views) Tavasco 04/10/2024 11:27PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (568 Views) jbelfior 04/11/2024 02:42PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (555 Views) Tavasco 04/11/2024 07:38PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (642 Views) johnnym 04/11/2024 08:32PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (551 Views) Fairmount1 04/26/2024 08:48PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (515 Views) RICH 04/26/2024 10:46PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (438 Views) Tavasco 04/27/2024 04:30PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (401 Views) Roman 04/27/2024 04:55PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (445 Views) Fairmount1 04/27/2024 05:51PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (406 Views) HandRide 04/27/2024 08:59PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (400 Views) HP 04/27/2024 10:49PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (372 Views) statuette 04/27/2024 10:59PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (401 Views) Roman 04/28/2024 12:00AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (383 Views) jerry 04/28/2024 02:15AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (391 Views) HP 04/28/2024 06:04AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (499 Views) johnnym 04/28/2024 08:04AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (498 Views) Fairmount1 04/28/2024 10:17AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (460 Views) wrongly2 04/28/2024 11:12AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (550 Views) TGJB 04/28/2024 11:14AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (472 Views) johnnym 04/28/2024 11:24AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (506 Views) Fairmount1 04/28/2024 11:24AM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (532 Views) TGJB 04/28/2024 12:50PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (498 Views) johnnym 04/28/2024 01:10PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (572 Views) TGJB 04/28/2024 01:15PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (549 Views) pip4126 04/28/2024 03:59PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (453 Views) TGJB 04/29/2024 06:26PM
Re: Fierceness, Derby Decisions (444 Views) johnnym 04/29/2024 06:46PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.