Sorry Kev, I have to make one more point.

Classhandicapper---I understand your thoughts and opinions. That's the beauty of this game. Everyone takes a different look at things. If you feel that TMW achieved his outstanding figure under optimum circumstances, then perhaps you can conclude that his number in the Travers is not a true reflection of him. I agree with you on how TMW may have achieved his Travers #, however it is still the number he achieved regardles of the circumstances. An example would be my thoughts on ALDEBAREN'S performance in the Forego which came against a loose on the lead NAJRAN who was not tiring when ALDEBAREN collared him at the top of the stretch. My feelings is that the # he achieved was more reflective of what kind of sprinter he is.