>Ragozin would go into uncontrollable fits of laughter at the idea that you are a figure maker. I would very much like to be there for that conversation.<

Don't know him and don't make figures anymore.

I made speed and pace figures in NY for many years in the 70s and 80s. I sold trainer information with another group in the 80s (computer stats etc..).

I gave all the pace data/beyer figures I accumulated in my computer in the 90s to the guy that sells Logic Dictates speed and pace figures, trips, bias etc... . He made speed figures that I bought and liked and expanded to pace figures after looking at my data. He is good so it saves me time.

Now what I do is look at Beyers, Logic, TG, for figures that are NOT reasonably consistent with each other. Then I go back to the race inputs for each, look at the trips, paces etc... to see if the differences are accounted for by methodology or by potential error.

If I believe someone has made an error, I make note for a potential bet.