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Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (360 Views)
Posted by: SoCalMan2 (IP Logged)
Date: March 29, 2005 11:32AM

...provide nice payoffs for people who play it right.

Beyer says in the article that Blues and Royals' chances are doomed due to the arrogance and poor judgment of his owner. Yet, in the same article, he closes with this rousing conclusion

"Blues and Royals might have a remote chance at Churchill Downs if the sheikh sent him to the U.S. for a second prep race, such as the Lexington Stakes on April 23 at Keeneland in Kentucky. But if the sheikh clings stubbornly to his discredited methods and sends Blues and Royals to the Derby with only one start as a 3-year-old, he can't win - even if the colt is the best dirt runner of his generation."

Who is guilty of arrogance and poor judgement here? I have no idea how to train a Kentucky Derby winner, but I bet there is no one right way. I also bet that having the best horse helps a lot.

I will take healthy odds on the best horse even if the trainer and the owner are numnuts (which may not even be the case here -- btw is this trainer the same guy who had some positives at Saratoga?). It seems pretty arrogant and a case of poor judgment to turn down a healthy odds bet on the best horse in the race just because you think the horse's owner is a moron.

I am glad Beyer wrote this. I hope lots of people like Classhandicapper agree with him. If this horse comes in with the best top by 3 points over any other competitor and a long price, he would be a great bet in my book -- EVEN WITHOUT ANOTHER START!

It is thinking like Beyer's that sent Arcangues off at healthy odds against a weak BC field.

I really think that all this 'prep' handicapping is a bunch of malarkey and love that people get very distracted by it. To me, all that matters is the effort you project the horse to run in the race and adjustments for trip and weight. I will project this horse to pair up in the Derby off his Dubai number. If that is a great number in relation to his competitors, then he is a good bet in my book (unless his odds are too low). If you think this is unsophisticated like that other poster's wife's play, so be it! If it works, who cares.

What great horse lost the Derby because of insufficient preps? It was not Point Given. That Derby was a race that was affected by pace. PG was too close to a brutal pace. Only he and Congaree were not obliterated by that pace. In fact, it was that blistering pace that probably made jockeys think differently in War Emblem's derby the next year.

Everybody cites all these horses that failed off the wrong 'prep', but 19 horses a year fail in the Derby and a lot of them suck (Great Redeemer anyone?). Does this mean 19 trainers are idiots every year and did the wrong thing? Of course not!

To me, the bigger issue is how often has the best horse lost because of the wrong prep? I would like to see a list of those. I do not know the answer, but it would be very interesting. In the meantime, I hope everybody keeps talking up this moronic 'prep angle' so my odds can go higher and higher.




Subject Written By Posted
Beyer's advice for the Sheik (576 Views) MO 03/29/2005 08:24AM
Re: Beyer's advice for the Sheik (348 Views) 03/29/2005 09:39AM
Re: Beyer's advice for the Sheik (345 Views) razzle 03/29/2005 10:21AM
Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (360 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 11:32AM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (331 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 11:55AM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (354 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 12:25PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (347 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 12:28PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (385 Views) 03/29/2005 12:35PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (382 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 01:03PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (332 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 01:19PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (341 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 01:50PM
Look at this thread (339 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:00PM
Re: Look at this thread (340 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 02:08PM
Re: Look at this thread (338 Views) NoCarolinaTony 03/29/2005 02:16PM
Re: Look at this thread (342 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:27PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (343 Views) 03/29/2005 02:55PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (339 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 03:41PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (354 Views) mrhill 03/29/2005 01:57PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (331 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (435 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 02:01PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (401 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (389 Views) 03/29/2005 02:57PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (334 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:15PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (436 Views) davidrex 03/29/2005 03:17PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (343 Views) Michael D. 03/29/2005 12:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (341 Views) 03/29/2005 12:18PM


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