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Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (331 Views)
Posted by: jimbo66 (IP Logged)
Date: March 29, 2005 11:55AM

SoCalMan,

The list of horses is pretty long. Nobody can argue that exactly one horse in the past 57 years has won the derby off of two or less preps. You can say that doesn't matter, Jerry also has said he thinks the stat is deceiving because many of those horses had less than three preps because of physical ailments or other issues besides intentional light campaigns. Maybe, but the facts are the facts, once since 1948 is a statistic and those of us that choose to follow it are not arrogant or showing poor judgment.

Not sure if you are a T-Graph user and methodology follower, but if you are, not sure why you are blaming pace for Point Given's bad race in the Derby. Point Given was not on the pace, he was several lengths off of the hot pace, further off than Congaree. He came up flat in the stretch and ran a bad race, much worse than Congaree, who most would say was inferior to Point Given. PG came back and trounced CG despite a very wide trip in the Preakness and then crushed the Belmont field.

The trainer, as well as many other horse players feel he was a short horse in the Derby and then ran to his true form in the Preakness and Belmont. Maybe you disagree, more power to you.

You will get your price on Blues and Royal in the Derby. Good luck with it. The Dubai angle has been miserable in the Derby, which is another "fact" backed up by stats, not something Andy Beyer made up. One prep in Dubai, then traveling to the US and running off a layoff in the Derby is not a winning angle, although the sample is admittedly much smaller than the "one winner since 1948 with less than three preps angle".



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Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (361 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 11:32AM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (331 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 11:55AM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (355 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 12:25PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (347 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 12:28PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (386 Views) 03/29/2005 12:35PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (383 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 01:03PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (333 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 01:19PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (342 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 01:50PM
Look at this thread (340 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:00PM
Re: Look at this thread (341 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 02:08PM
Re: Look at this thread (339 Views) NoCarolinaTony 03/29/2005 02:16PM
Re: Look at this thread (343 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:27PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (344 Views) 03/29/2005 02:55PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (340 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 03:41PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (355 Views) mrhill 03/29/2005 01:57PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (332 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (436 Views) jimbo66 03/29/2005 02:01PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (401 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (390 Views) 03/29/2005 02:57PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (335 Views) SoCalMan2 03/29/2005 02:15PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (437 Views) davidrex 03/29/2005 03:17PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (344 Views) Michael D. 03/29/2005 12:07PM
Re: Arrogance and poor judgment ..... (342 Views) 03/29/2005 12:18PM


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