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Re: Elliot Safdie (354 Views)
Posted by: (IP Logged)
Date: May 10, 2005 10:30AM

HP,

"You could also easily argue that each race is a separate event. Why is there anything left to "learn" from the BGrass? "

Intellectual curiousity and races in the future where my opinion of how well a horse is capable of running in the future could be based on an accurate appraisal of the BG.

"You realize you are saying absolutely nothing here, right?"

Yes. That was the point. Unfortunately IMO there was nothing to be learned by Sun King's performance - though I wish there was.

"TG had the BGrass very fast, looking at his sheet before the Derby I thought he would back up. There was A LOT of stuff posted on this site about "big top" horses backing up badly in the Derby and Bandini ran a big top and backed up badly in the Derby."

You do realize that Beyer, Pace Figs, myself, and virtually everyone else on the planet except for TG and Rag had that race slower (some much slower) - putting it more or less in line with normal 3YO development for Bandini. If you believed the race was slower, then you woundn't be throwing him out based on a big new top. You would be trying to figure if he was fast enough to win if he just duplicated it. I can understand you taking the TG figure as gospel, but IMO it wasn't and still isn't clear if a "big new top" had anything at all to do with Bandini's dreadful performance.



Post Edited (05-10-05 10:33)



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