So Chuckles, your point is that the comments I was referring to about GZ were made by you after the race, instead of before the race? Ok, I will give you that. I didn't research the comments, i was posting from memory, I just remember the comments about you looking forward to betting against him again, because the race in the BC was not "true". Doesn't sound like you diagree, you called it an "abomination".

"Providing I am extremely confident in the number". What is that, a shot at Beyer or T-Graph?

I am generally "confident" in numbers, not extremely confident. But in this case, what the numbers told me after the Wood coincide with what my eyes saw, which makes me very confident.

The bigger problem is when the numbers don't correspond with what your eyes saw. The example I can remember is Harlan's Holiday. When I saw him inhale the Floriday Derby field a few years back, I was sure it was a big figure and a derby winner. But the Beyer came back slow (I don't know about the T-Graph, I wasn't following T-Graph figures then). That is a tougher call.

As for "says who", with regards to the horses in the Wood being as fast as the horses in the SA Derby, I am referring to T-GRaph figures. You are on the T-Graph board, so you don't mind if I use their figures instead of your home-made figures, especially seeing as I don't have your figures..........