Wow what an arguement. You guys are just chasing your tail on this. You are trying to find the DERBY WINNER, and not the horse that improves by five points and still finishes up the track. The raw numbers show that the WINNER must be seasoned at two and also at three. By trying to buck the trend, you are looking for a needle in a haystack! Yeah eventually it is going to happen, but when? Are you going to be the first to buck the trend. Like it was said before many great trainers and owners have tried to buck this trend. What do they have to show for it? Coolmore, Godolphin, Frankel and Pletcher nothing in the Derby except for some PRICEY broken down three year olds that ain't worth a crap anymore.