TGJB-- Congrats on the 43. Sounds like you "bounced" on the back 9, but of course the wind should be taken into account.

Jimbo-- Since these various tools are used in different ways by different people, my belief is that it would be very difficult to rate these products(Beyer, Sheets, TGs) in any scientific way.

Possibly the most efficient way to undertake the comparison you mentioned would be for a single unbiased handicapper to use both products during a meet, alternate days or maybe alternate weeks. Considering the fact that Rags and TG are making figures for tracks all over the country all year round, a sample based on results from one short meet wouldn't be too convincing.

To this neophyte, the tools produced by The Guru Jerry Brown and the self proclaimed "Father" of all speed figures seem so similar in terms of methodology-identifying patterns, seeking animals ready to peak, avoiding animals ready to bounce.

These are both good products, IMO. I feel comfortable preferring to use one without disparaging the other. The long running feud between Rags and TGJB, the colorful vituperations of some of the posters on the other board, these are nothing more than sometimes entertaining distractions.