Okay, here we go again. Len has this time not just taken a shot at me, but at a customer of mine. Again, Jimbo can handle it, but I'm going to make a couple of points:

1-- "I've generally been pretty good at ignoring the lies about the SHEETS and myself that appear regularly elsewhere..."

Len, don't hold back. Please do everybody a favor, and respond directly to my "lies" next time. For once. You can even do it here.


2-- Not that it matters, but Jimbo's comments characterized your comments, not you. See above for what he actually said, and context. Some of that context is that this started with Jimbo politely proposing that Ragozin guys join him in an objective test of both data services. Readers can draw their own conclusions as to why that struck a nerve.


3-- Oh, Len. I don't know whether you give the data to Frankel for free, but I doubt it. I think you give it to him and others for very little, which has the same effect. In fact, I have asked you publicly to tell us your rates for horsemen a couple of times, so the public can have some context in comparing the policies of the two companies. Since you are OUTRAGED at Jimbo's suggestion, how about clearing things up once and for all? I went through the math once on this site, and I think it worked out that even if I gave Frankel a 50% discount for bulk, I would charge him something like 250k a year. What do you charge him? What does he get?


4-- We have a conundrum. You say you don't give your data to any media/track employee for free in exchange for any testimonials. Yet Harvey Pack has gone on record publicly many times saying he gets your data for free, and he not only pushed your data and ripped TG while wearing a NYRA jacket at the "Paddock Club" a few dozen times (he used to call us the "cheap sheets", until I called the NYRA head of marketing and put a stop to it), he also quoted your figures and barred anyone from saying "Thoro-Graph" on the NYRA replay show for years, and made them re-tape a segment when Phil Johnson quoted one of our figures.

Was Harvey lying? Does he pay for your sheets?


5-- "I've posted this here where it can't be directly replied to as there is nothing here that needs any comment or debate pro or con..."

Of course that's why you did it.