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Re: ROTW---INDIANA DERBY (754 Views)
Posted by: bdhsheets (IP Logged)
Date: October 03, 2003 10:45PM

Anyone consider the possibility that one of the contributing factors to Grand Hombre's victory in the PA Derby was the off track?
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No. Grand Hombre was 2 pts faster than everyone else and was being spotted 5#'s from Toccet, 8#'s from Dynever
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Dynever obviously ran a sub par effort that day. He finished well behind some very mediocre horses that he figured to beat easily. There's no way that was "his race".

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More silliness. Did it ever occur to you that these two were highly overrated and indeed not that fast? Only Valley Man and Max Forever were slower in the race (without weight adjustments!)

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Toccet also ran poorly. He finished behind a horse he had just beaten and basically ran his worst race in quite awhile.

Sorry Charlie but Ashmore earned a better figure in that race and hit his top of 1.25

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I guess we'll know more soon because Dynever will be facing Volonpi and a few other horses that occasionally fire big shots. If he runs very competitively (or wins) in that spot we know for certain he didn't fire in the PA Derby.

Obviously you don't use T-graph figs at all and make up stuff as you go along. You buy the hype of whatever horse without knowing they can back up the b.s.

Volponi may lose, but it may be he's finished running all those -2's this season.

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Toccet also comes back tomorrow in a Grade II for olders. Same goes for him.

A very, very weak Goodwood field, no BC Classic winner in this bunch.

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Main reason I bring this up is that maybe Grand Hombre was a little underrated in the PA Derby, but he may be overrated now as a result of beating 2 "name" horses....that didn't fire in the mud that day.

He might be an overrated short priced horse that has also drawn outside and could get a tough trip.

Again, with the issue of weights and trips, G.H. is vulnerable. He's spotting some fast horses 7-9#'s toss in a wide trip and voila an upset. Again having nothing to do with being over-hyped.

Good luck.



May they all come home safely!



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