When you make the figures for all the horses coming out of PA Derby, post them along side the figures those same horses earned "in the PA Derby" according to you.

Then let me know if you "still" think the PA Derby was an "super extremely fast" race for 3YO Grade 3 horses at this time of year in which Dynever ran a new top but got killed anyway because the others were so good.

Maybe you will change your mind and conclude you overestimated it - as I suggesed to you "BEFORE" the race.

I'd also love to see your figure for Dynever in the Meadowlands race. I will post the Beyer as soon as it is available - just for discussion purposes. I know you think it is worthless.

We will see if Dynever's figure at the Meadowlands (your and Beyers) is more in line with my expressed opinion that you may have underrated the WV Derby and that he had in fact had run poorly in the PA Derby.

Personally, in looking at the result of the Med race, my first impression based on the huge gap between Valponi and the rest of that field (which was not all that weak) was that Valponi did not run all that bad. He ran OK, but got beat by two horses that ran extremely well (the winner was first time Jerkens).