Red Boarding? Read the darn thread. My opinions on your PA Derby figures and the Indiana Derby were clear prior the race. So are the results. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that you overrated that race. Oh yea, sorry, I can't prove it beyond a showdow of a doubt. I can only say beforehand you overrated it and watch all the horses run like crap. How about proving you were right despite all the evidence against?

I have now lost respect for you.

You won't have to delete any of my messages. I will leave voluntarily because it is clear you do not wish to discuss any race results or figures that might shed your own work and methodology as anything less than pure perfection no matter what the results of the races suggest.

1. You won’t consider Beyer speed figures that suggest that individual races were either faster or slower than you suggest (even though you are very willing to publicly criticize specific ones like the WV Derby as being too fast because they missed the fact that it was raining)

2. You won’t consider my proclamation that speed figures I purchase from Logic Dictates suggest that individual races were either faster or slower than you suggested.

3. You won’t consider that 2 sources disagree with you.

4. You won’t accept any proclamation by me that a specific pace was very fast or slow and might have impacted the final time of some of the participants despite the clear visual evidence, fractions, and results of the race relative to their form and your figures coming in.

5. You won’t accept any race results that conflict with you own figures as being evidence that your figure might have been wrong EVEN IF those results are very much in line with the figures and opinions presented by others prior to the race or as a post-mortem.

6. My guess is that even if almost every horse coming out of a suspect race ran just like I said it would based on YOUR SUBSEQUENT FIGURES for them, you would interpret that as them ALL BOUNCING or ALL IMPROVING and not that the specific race in question was wrong to begin with.

You are right about one thing. I do not make my living betting. I make a few dozen bets each year in stakes races on which I have averaged between a 40%-50% profit for the last 8 years. That comes out to less than I earn working in data processing. So I continue to work and play horses casually - taking advantage of other people's arrogance.